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	<title>Comments on: A new kind of crazy?</title>
	<link>http://www.themotorlesscity.com/2009/04/08/a-new-kind-of-crazy/</link>
	<description>Rantings and photos of Metro Detroit in a post-industrial era.</description>
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		<title>By: rick</title>
		<link>http://www.themotorlesscity.com/2009/04/08/a-new-kind-of-crazy/#comment-96</link>
		<author>rick</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.themotorlesscity.com/2009/04/08/a-new-kind-of-crazy/#comment-96</guid>
		<description>Its the liberal elite that has destroyed Detroit..Where are you when we need you Coleman Young...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its the liberal elite that has destroyed Detroit..Where are you when we need you Coleman Young&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.themotorlesscity.com/2009/04/08/a-new-kind-of-crazy/#comment-95</link>
		<author>admin</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.themotorlesscity.com/2009/04/08/a-new-kind-of-crazy/#comment-95</guid>
		<description>Thanks...

Well, I consider myself independent. I bash the left, right, and center equally. It's not about liberal vs conservative for me, it's about commentary on things I see as interesting. 

If you read other posts you'll see I've taken Detroit's liberal politicians to task. Corruption and bad policy knows no boundaries unfortunately.

You are free to label me as you like though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, I consider myself independent. I bash the left, right, and center equally. It&#8217;s not about liberal vs conservative for me, it&#8217;s about commentary on things I see as interesting. </p>
<p>If you read other posts you&#8217;ll see I&#8217;ve taken Detroit&#8217;s liberal politicians to task. Corruption and bad policy knows no boundaries unfortunately.</p>
<p>You are free to label me as you like though.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.themotorlesscity.com/2009/04/08/a-new-kind-of-crazy/#comment-94</link>
		<author>Craig</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.themotorlesscity.com/2009/04/08/a-new-kind-of-crazy/#comment-94</guid>
		<description>First I've seen your blog.  Very clever name.

The irony of a liberal's blogging on the devastation of Detroit is rich as it was liberal policies that destroyed it and are in the process of destroying the rest of Michigan.  I know from experience; I live in Buffalo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I&#8217;ve seen your blog.  Very clever name.</p>
<p>The irony of a liberal&#8217;s blogging on the devastation of Detroit is rich as it was liberal policies that destroyed it and are in the process of destroying the rest of Michigan.  I know from experience; I live in Buffalo.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.themotorlesscity.com/2009/04/08/a-new-kind-of-crazy/#comment-93</link>
		<author>admin</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.themotorlesscity.com/2009/04/08/a-new-kind-of-crazy/#comment-93</guid>
		<description>More discussion here: &lt;a href="http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-bloggers/2225710/posts" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-bloggers/2225710/posts&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More discussion here: <a href="http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-bloggers/2225710/posts" rel="nofollow">http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-bloggers/2225710/posts</a></p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.themotorlesscity.com/2009/04/08/a-new-kind-of-crazy/#comment-92</link>
		<author>admin</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.themotorlesscity.com/2009/04/08/a-new-kind-of-crazy/#comment-92</guid>
		<description>Wow. 

Brian, of course I've heard of the 'free market', but you yourself state that a 'tax' may be collected to pay for a police force. The Wayne County Sheriff's Department isn't going to contract with individuals unless you are willing to pay a small fortune.

Human waste now goes through a sewer system paid for and maintained with public tax dollars. If you don't pay taxes the system will eventually stop working. It doesn't last forever. 

I don't disagree with the concept entirely, but I don't think people think these types of ideas through very well. This country's already been through the frontiersman era, and the people got together to get things done in a cooperative manner (aka, local governments).

GeronL, hippie types already live in tax free situations, working cooperatively. If you don't know, or haven't heard, just look it up. Hippie types don't necessarily want a free ride anymore than anyone else. 

I just think you are a bit optimistic with your view of what Detroit would be like as a 'tax free zone'. You make it sound like a commune with guns. 

Furthermore, much of Detroit already is a tax free zone. In Detroit it's known as the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_market" rel="nofollow"&gt;black market&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. </p>
<p>Brian, of course I&#8217;ve heard of the &#8216;free market&#8217;, but you yourself state that a &#8216;tax&#8217; may be collected to pay for a police force. The Wayne County Sheriff&#8217;s Department isn&#8217;t going to contract with individuals unless you are willing to pay a small fortune.</p>
<p>Human waste now goes through a sewer system paid for and maintained with public tax dollars. If you don&#8217;t pay taxes the system will eventually stop working. It doesn&#8217;t last forever. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with the concept entirely, but I don&#8217;t think people think these types of ideas through very well. This country&#8217;s already been through the frontiersman era, and the people got together to get things done in a cooperative manner (aka, local governments).</p>
<p>GeronL, hippie types already live in tax free situations, working cooperatively. If you don&#8217;t know, or haven&#8217;t heard, just look it up. Hippie types don&#8217;t necessarily want a free ride anymore than anyone else. </p>
<p>I just think you are a bit optimistic with your view of what Detroit would be like as a &#8216;tax free zone&#8217;. You make it sound like a commune with guns. </p>
<p>Furthermore, much of Detroit already is a tax free zone. In Detroit it&#8217;s known as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_market" rel="nofollow">black market</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: GeronL</title>
		<link>http://www.themotorlesscity.com/2009/04/08/a-new-kind-of-crazy/#comment-91</link>
		<author>GeronL</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.themotorlesscity.com/2009/04/08/a-new-kind-of-crazy/#comment-91</guid>
		<description>There wouldn't be any hippies or people who believe others owe them a living. There would be no incentive for those who pay no taxes to want to move into the Free Zone (think ultras enterprise zone) because that would give them no benefit.

The first people to move in would be those who want to buy up property and sell them for a profit. People who have a good income would basically see their income double because of the lack of taxation.

Now that is real stimulus.

Residents of the Free Zone would pay a private service to pick up their garbage and pay a subscription fee for private fire service coverage. Private security would flourish but I would have to assume that the County Sheriff's Department would find local business willing to pay them to have a certain number of deputies stationed there. And of course just about every adult would own a gun.

Residents would actually pay for the water they use, what a concept, so I am sure water providers would be happy to sell it. 

There is no particular reason for them to collect any taxes really since the people who would move to such a place would be the most self-reliant and self-sufficient kind. There are no services provided by government that could not be done less expensively by the private sector.

The anti-social types would hate a place like this, they would stand out like sore thumbs. They would find the place an environment where thier types are not put up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There wouldn&#8217;t be any hippies or people who believe others owe them a living. There would be no incentive for those who pay no taxes to want to move into the Free Zone (think ultras enterprise zone) because that would give them no benefit.</p>
<p>The first people to move in would be those who want to buy up property and sell them for a profit. People who have a good income would basically see their income double because of the lack of taxation.</p>
<p>Now that is real stimulus.</p>
<p>Residents of the Free Zone would pay a private service to pick up their garbage and pay a subscription fee for private fire service coverage. Private security would flourish but I would have to assume that the County Sheriff&#8217;s Department would find local business willing to pay them to have a certain number of deputies stationed there. And of course just about every adult would own a gun.</p>
<p>Residents would actually pay for the water they use, what a concept, so I am sure water providers would be happy to sell it. </p>
<p>There is no particular reason for them to collect any taxes really since the people who would move to such a place would be the most self-reliant and self-sufficient kind. There are no services provided by government that could not be done less expensively by the private sector.</p>
<p>The anti-social types would hate a place like this, they would stand out like sore thumbs. They would find the place an environment where thier types are not put up with.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.themotorlesscity.com/2009/04/08/a-new-kind-of-crazy/#comment-90</link>
		<author>Brian</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.themotorlesscity.com/2009/04/08/a-new-kind-of-crazy/#comment-90</guid>
		<description>Have you ever heard of the free market? If Detroit was a tax-free zone, entrepreneurs would rush in and fill the need for services. Police department? No problemo, contract with the county sheriff's office or state patrol until one is created from scratch funded by a local sales tax or a fee schedule. Same thing with a fire department, garbage services, water &#38; sewer, etc. Where is human waste going to go? Dude, where is it going NOW? Do you realize how absurd your argument is, when you resort to strawman crap like Detroit will become the Wild West? As if it isn't now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever heard of the free market? If Detroit was a tax-free zone, entrepreneurs would rush in and fill the need for services. Police department? No problemo, contract with the county sheriff&#8217;s office or state patrol until one is created from scratch funded by a local sales tax or a fee schedule. Same thing with a fire department, garbage services, water &amp; sewer, etc. Where is human waste going to go? Dude, where is it going NOW? Do you realize how absurd your argument is, when you resort to strawman crap like Detroit will become the Wild West? As if it isn&#8217;t now?</p>
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